As usual, @brainwane's writing on a complicated topic are clear, thoughtful, direct, and bring the receipts to the table: "Not The First Time We Tried (FSF, GNU, RMS, etc.)" harihareswara.net/sumana/2021/

@cwebber
It's the thing that gets me with the support for RMS, You can point at this, and Bradley's and Matthew's posts and some folks will see it as a corporate conspiracy leading a mob. Rather than wonder if the environment drove people elsewhere. Nearly a week later and I'm still stunned at it happening and the way it was handled. If the FSF can't change then we need to move on.
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@onepict @cwebber @brainwane The open letter made it a lot easier to defend Stallman. If it was about the issues mentioned in this blog post, there would be a lot less resistance. Instead, they accuse Stallman of having "shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic, ...", and petition for his removal based on "his hurtful and dangerous ideology". But there's sparse public evidence for these accusations, and in at least one case, his supposed transphobia, there's ample evidence of the contrary. People will interpret these inaccuracies as character assassination and discredit any genuine issues with him based on these.

@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane Have you read this post? arp242.net/rms.html

It acknowledges there have been some mischaracterizations, analyzes them one by one, but still clearly identifies what *did* happen and comes to a conclusion about this decision to surprise-reappoint him and how it was clearly a bad idea.

@cwebber @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane

I think Stallman's behaviour can be characterized as misogyny, that's not excessive

When women publish reports about you, write on twitter they stayed away because of you, and you insist for 20 years, that means you don't give a damn what a category of people is saying

And that category of people is women

So no, sorry, social awkwardness doesn't cut it, here

there's not intent only. There are effects too

@cwebber @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane

I didn't read about ableism because I have enough of this

As for transphobia, sorry but that's not just a preference about linguistic issues

If you insist on a solution that no one else will adopt, when the rest of the world has settled on they/them, you are transphobic

Posting about trans right is free, especially for a person like him

Doing something is not free and he wasn't ready to do something

So, no, sorry. He was transphobic

@AbbieNormal @cwebber @onepict @brainwane I don't see how it would be transphobic to use other gender neutral pronouns. I understand that it is silly, but I don't see why would it be hateful towards trans persons. I'm not trans so could you please explain so I can understand?

@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

the solution for not misgendering people should be one only

using several different ways of using gender neutral pronouns will make the whole thing unusable, impractical, in many cases a joke for the amusememnt of many morons who refer to him as an example.

it's a substantial sabotage of the effort

your linguistic preferences are not ore important of the actual well being of people

@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

I could say: I would use gender neutral pronouns but I link zoomba/zoorba only

That would be a cruel joke

@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

His preference was just an excuse for not giving the trans community the desire of establishing a more bearable language

@acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

when the world has settled on they/them, your insistence for something else that nobody will use is an excuse for not using they/them and thus misgendering people

and you'll give the excuse to the hoardes of morons who will refer to you as an example

it's not a matter of linguistic style

it's a substantial issue

it's not that hard

@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber Would you accept that argumentation for any other topic?

“if you argue, you’re being <something horrible>”

@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

the choice about how to accomodate the issue is not for cisgender people

you know this even too well

@AbbieNormal @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber You forgot a verb. "is not for cisgender people to take" or "is not for cisgender people to discuss"?

The first demands decency: call people how they want to be called.

The second forbids people their voice.

@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

are you really arguing that the adoption of a linguistic solution they don't like will harm cisgender people as much as transgender people are harmed by the current language ?

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@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

I'll paste something I've written already:

His preference was just an excuse for not giving the trans community the desire of establishing a more bearable language

@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

this is not a linguistic issue

the point of arguing is not language. It's not giving trans people what they ask

your distinction between making a chice and discussing it is bogus

and crying that some freedom is being infringed is outright ridiculous

@ArneBab @acuteanniemay @onepict @brainwane @cwebber

oh and by the way it's not an original argument

I've run into this argument before

"so the nazifeminist and the integralists of the political correcteness want to take our lives away !!"

That's shameful, to say at least

what's so brutal in sticking to they/them ?

I'll tell you: nothing at all

if there's any freeedom at stake here it's not Richard Stallman's neither yours

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